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2001 AFC Divisional: Patriots vs Raiders

The Snow Bowl

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Patriots

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Raiders

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1 2 3 4 OT Final
New England Patriots 0 0 3 10 3 16
Oakland Raiders 0 7 6 0 0 13
Total Downloads 179

Episode Transcript

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons, and of course Michael, sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother.

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I appreciate the tone. It's only the greatest game of the dynasty. I'm saying it. I'm saying it. Coming out firing. Let's start with that then. I want your take on this. Defend your hot take. Dude, this scene. I mean, if you love football, you gotta love this game. You know what I'm saying? Just the snow coming down and droves.

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The Black looked so sick. Anytime money gets tackled, they wake up and walk, they get up and they got a face full of snow. Pretty much every Antoine Smith run ended with him. There's like a complete face mask full of snow. It's the most football football game ever. It's up there. It's definitely up there. I will, yeah, I'll give you that. All right. I think you've converted me. Congratulations. To the best ever. That was easy.

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The best ever. Best ever so far on this podcast, for sure. That's for sure. So let's talk about this game. This is, like we said, the last ever game at Foxborough Stadium. It was actually supposed to be a few weeks ago at their last home game, but it was supposed to be demolished by now already. But it was still standing because they had one more game to play in it, and that was this one. So hell of a way to end.

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and both had nine receiving touchdowns. This was a fucking stacked offense. I think they were getting old, though, weren't they? Yeah, I mean, I think this was like the end of Jerry Rice's career, obviously. I think this year or the year after was when he went to Seattle for his last year. Yeah. They went to the Super Bowl the next year, though. They did, yeah. Was he on that team? I think he was, yeah. That makes sense.

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Right, because Gruden would leave Oakland after this year to go to Tampa, and then they would play each other in the Super Bowl next year. I actually have a really hardcore Raiders fan, so we interviewed him about this. Oh, that's right, we did. Yeah, let's go to that real quick. Oh, boy. All right, we got my friend Navi joining us. Navi is the biggest Oakland Raiders fan that I know.

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Actually, the only Oakland Raiders fan that I know. Las Vegas. Oh, yes. Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry. Jeez. It's off to a bad start. I've known Navi for, I don't know, close to 10 years or so. God damn. He's always been a diehard. My condolences, Navi. Raiders guy. Hey, man, your brother's a good guy. See, everybody keeps saying that, but I don't know if they know the real Steve Brown. I'm saying that's not true.

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Yeah. I think it would be like us going back and watching the 2007 Super Bowl. It's an exciting game, but it doesn't end the way I want to. I don't know if I'll ever watch it again. No, yeah. I mean, it felt just dominance by the Raiders until the fourth quarter. Second half, actually, Brady was just on fire, just dink and dunk passes. The snow definitely came in a factor where everybody was slipping. I mean, even David Patton was slipping, but he was still catching the ball.

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you said that whole brand of like the black hole plus it seems like a like that's a way more of a fit than like the chargers in LA the charges in LA they should they should be the nomad team they should even have a home game I know yeah but yeah the Vegas stadium I mean who's gonna say no to a free two billion dollar brand new stadium right exactly you know

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I remember playing. Yeah, I just remember playing. I'm like, holy shit, man. This is like a trip back memory lane. I know. I honestly forgot Jerry Rice was even in this game. Oh, man. I mean, they had 2,000 yards. He was pretty good. Yeah, they both had. Tim Brown both had 1,000 yards each. Weren't they only like 30 yards apart in the whole season, too? They're both over like 1,100 yards. Nine touchdowns.

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on the year. James Jett barely sprinkled in there. Then you have John Ritchie and our tight end was Roland Williams before Doug Jolly and all these other guys came around. But, I mean, John Ritchie was catching balls out the backfield. That's a big boy. Yeah. Just the size of the players in these old games is shocking. Yeah, I mean, a linebacker now is a lineman. Yeah. Yeah, every single one of these guys looks like they could play fullback.

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Yeah, I mean, that team right there, man, like PTSD, man, that talk rule is just a nightmare. I forgot about it until you said the other day, and I was like, this motherfucker. Well, that's what I say every time. I mean, that team was like an off-and-on-again team that year because, I mean, they closed the season out with three losses. They did, yeah. So, actually, I wanted to

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824 or something and got sealed on an 80-yard touchdown run by Charlie Garner. Charlie Garner, local Virginia kid, man. I had forgotten who Charlie Garner was, to be honest. He was a beast for us. Who's your favorite player on that team? My favorite player on that team was Charles Woodson, hands down. I mean, if you want to go away from all time,

2001 AFC Divisional: Patriots vs Raiders

The obvious answer would be Charles West, my all-time Raider, because that personally made me. But I would have to go. It's a toss-up between Howie Long and you can't say Bo Jackson. He wasn't there that long. I'd say him and Marcus Allen. Marcus Allen running all over the rest. That's the full highlights that I watched. I mean, living here, yeah, I just can't stop bringing it up to all these guys around here. But no, Howie Long is my favorite Raider.

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play. And from the stories that we heard is Callahan literally sabotaged the Super Bowl and played right into Gruden's hands. And you can hear in highlights on NFL films, John Lynch is literally saying, that's the play. They're literally calling out the space. It's going here, it's going there. I'm just sitting here like, all right, this is the worst movie you ever could have done. We could have kept Gruden, gone to the Super Bowl, won a fucking Super Bowl.

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I have him behind closed doors, but yeah. I mean, it's probably similar to the Brady-Belichick thing, too. Like, you'll probably never know. You'll never know exactly what actually happened. Al Davis, he's dead, but yeah, we'll definitely never know because Gruden won't ever say. The next person, Amy Trask, won't ever say who's Al Davis' right-hand woman. But, you know, that was the end of the Raiders because right then and there, that was like that bad omen after that Super Bowl defeat, which

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I sat at my friend's house in his basement, took off my jersey, and didn't say a word for the rest of the game. We were getting our ass kicked. I'm like, this is fucking stupid. And then here it comes. I've felt that for our first half in a Super Bowl before. Yeah, yeah. It's painful, man. It's shitty. I'd rather have anything else happen. I don't know what I can describe. It's a worst feeling. Yeah. I don't know.

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He's definitely brought the franchise down. You know, he's trying to do good. But, you know, cash flow is definitely an issue. Everybody knows that. You know, we'll have some rumors, but you know, on the way the contracts are being made, they're a little funny, you know, their money up front because there won't be money later. I don't know, but good guy, good intentions, shitty owner. When it comes to like, you know, pockets wise, he's probably one of the poorest owners because people want their money now, not later.

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It's negative swag, but it's kind of looped back around. Exactly. It's so bad it's good. Exactly. It's so bad it's good. I agree. I agree. I'm just glad we're out of that shithole stadium that smells like shit. Yeah. Well, I mean, this was us in 2001. How many games have you been at the old Raiders stadium? I didn't go to many. I've only been there twice. I've gone all around. My favorite stadium to visit,

2001 AFC Divisional: Patriots vs Raiders

We were right behind the goalposts, second row. It was hot as balls that day. We were wearing black jerseys. Latavius Murray scored. He threw the football, started celebrating. I took off my jersey. I was hammered. Waving it around, all happy and shit. Next time I get that text, put your fucking jersey back on. I'm like, alright, alright. On TV. That's awesome. I loved going there to the Raiders stadium for the games.

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And it smelled like shit and weed. Two combos. That's what it looks like. It smells like on TV. They're smoking in the stands. Oh, yeah. Everybody's high as bowls there. They just don't give a fuck there. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. That's why it works perfectly for Vegas. Yep. No rules, baby. It'll be weird to see.

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how Vegas turns out because I feel like the first few years there'll be like a show for all these white fans to come to. They got to spend like eight to a hundred thousand dollars for like a shitty seat. That's crazy. It's going to be insane for the prices in Vegas. We'll see. I mean, I'll be going there with Greer to see a Bills game. So let's see how much money we fork over for tickets. But think about the in that game betting you can do from your seat. Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, you can make that money back.

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Yeah, that is true. That is very true. I'm not a big guy to go to games and watch them because I love watching all football games and like gambling. So it's like, hopefully I go to a game that's like a prime time game where it's the only game there. I don't know if that's going to be against the Bills, but just throw that out there. You never know. Hey, man, the Bills. Their track record has not been good. We'll just put it that way. Yeah, we listen to it too much, dude. That is true. That is true.

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I guess it's kind of true. The Jack Tatum game, I guess. I don't even know when's the last time we beat you guys. Couldn't tell you. I think it's been a while. Yeah, the last time we got close was when Gronk was playing and I think we barely lost that game. I think it was like a very close game if I remember. It was like, I don't know, 10-13 or something like that.

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Yeah, we haven't beat you guys in forever. I can't tell you what my favorite Raiders game is. I don't remember this 2002 game, to be honest. It's a blur to me. I got to go back. I've always wondered what people thought of them drafting to Marcus Russell. When you drafted him, were you hyped? Fuck no. No, you just knew right away. I believed in Lane Kiffin. If he got Calvin Johnson, he would have found a way to do something.

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than the Patriots, if we're being honest. That's true. Yeah. I would say that. Maybe you guys should do what we did and just draft your franchise quarterback with the 199th pick. Duh. I don't even know when the next time I'm going to draft a quarterback. I mean, I think our quarterback of the future is already on the team in Marcus Mariota, but that's just me. Ooh, that's a hot take. Yeah. You know, we don't release these immediately. So like, I don't know. That might be still by the time this comes out. Yeah. This might come out eight weeks from now. So in two months, that might actually be a good one.

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I just feel like he's a best threat for the offense. That's just me. But, you know, he's Mayock's number one quarterback. There's a reason why his contract's like packed with incentives. Oh, that's right. Yeah. I mean, he could two years, he can make up to $47 million. That's nuts. Even though he's a base. Holy shit. Yeah. Crazy. That's a lot. Like, what the fuck? Like, there's a small leash for Derek Carr this year. I feel like.

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Here comes Hugh Jackson tossing a first-round pick. Carson, front, and Palmer. Well, Palmer was all right at the time. He was all right, man, but he didn't want to play for the Raiders. He went from the Bengals to the Raiders. Come on. What were your thoughts on the Rainy Moss era? Oh, the Rainy Moss era was just garbage. Andrew Walters trying to throw Rainy Moss the ball. Rainy Moss did not want to be there. The guy was half speed. He just didn't give a fuck.

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He was like the Trent Dilfer of the team. I was going to say, yeah, he was kind of the Trent Dilfer of that, what do they call them, steel curtain defenses. What other questions you got? That was all the ones I had. Steve, you got any questions? No, I definitely wanted to know how you felt about Randy Moss. I'm glad I got that out there. Yeah.

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What's funny actually is about the Randy Moss thing is I bought a Randy Moss jersey. Oh no. And then I believe we traded him one year later. No, no, no. Oh, sorry. Hold on. Rewind, rewind. So I had a Napoleon Harris jersey. He was a linebacker. I remember the Ravens. Yeah. He was good, right? Yeah. And

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I was super excited. I was like, dang, I got a jersey. The linebacker's going to be here for a while. He's a beast. Getting 150-something tackles. Next offseason, he gets traded to Minnesota for Rainy Moss. I'm like, oh, shit. What am I with this jersey? It's going to go right in the closet. Never used again. Spent like, I don't know, 50, 60 bucks at a time for those jerseys. Did I get a Rainy Moss? That didn't last long. I will say, and I remember this very clearly,

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What was his name? Bill Callahan. Not a big fan of him. Which is completely understandable, I think. So he was a big Gruden fan, though, yes? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you guys think of Gruden? I don't know. I'm not as high on him as I feel like everybody else seems to be. I feel like a lot of people hate on him. Ever since he did Monday night.

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Yeah, I mean, he was a bit of a caricature on Monday Night Football. I think that was just him playing that role, you know? He was a cliche machine. Yeah, and the QB camp that he does where he just loves everybody. Everybody loves everybody. You got a lot of shit for that. I haven't heard him say a critical thing at all. Unless I was like on Hard Knocks. I didn't even watch that. He was good on Hard Knocks. I liked him on Hard Knocks. Really?

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I heard a lot of criticism about him specifically on Hard Knocks. Every coach gets criticism for that show, though. I thought he was a good players coach. I don't know how good of an X's and O's guy he is, but he's a good motivator. He was supposed to be a pretty good offensive mind, isn't he? That's what I thought. I think at this point in his career, people were pretty high on him. Well, let's put a number on the Raiders wins here in the 2020 season.

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Because that was his hot take. Yes. Marioto will be the starter. And the next franchise quarterback. Yes. So I'm definitely picking against Navi. Let me give you like six wins. I could see them doing okay. More than nine. I'm going 10. I'm going 10 wins. I'm going 8 wins. Based on no research and not even knowing half the roster, I'm going 10 wins. That's how hot takes are born.

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Greg. That's right. And then you defend them. So you die. Even if you don't believe them when you're dying, you defend them till you die. Oh, you just cover them up with more hot takes like, oh, yeah, but what about this hot take? What's you want to hear my worst ever sports take? Of course. Always. Okay. Aaron Hernandez will be a better career player than Rob Gunkowski. Yeah. I was passionate, passionate about that one. Yeah.

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I was like he's just a more fluid athlete. Whoops. That one went down in flames. Kind of a hail of gunfire. Yeah. Among other things. All right. Let's talk about the actual fucking game he came here to talk about. We're talking about this all the way around. Yeah. All right. So just real quick. I know Navi mentioned it in the interview.

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It was something like the Raiders played super vanilla in week 17, so they wouldn't give the Jets anything just in case they didn't beat them. And then they pulled out all the stops in the playoffs and ran over them 38-24. So that's how the Raiders actually got here. Just like putting up numbers. And running back Charlie Gardner had like, he iced the game with an ADR touchdown run with a few minutes left. Dude, I had no idea who Charlie Gardner was.

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Yes. Charlie Gardner was a recurring character in the second season of Girl Meets World, which turns out is a show. Oh, don't talk to Mike Mello about that, though. It's very so. Does he know about Girl Meets World? Not Boy Meets World. I think he basically wrote that. He wrote a reunion for Boy Meets World. He wrote the whole script and everything and tried to shop it around. And then that came out. Apparently, I guess there was some similarities between what he wrote and what came out.

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He looked untackleable. Yeah, he was a tenacious guy, like a bulldog runner. I always respect those guys. Yeah, he was just that. He was the stereotypical always keep your legs moving and good things will happen as a running back sort of guy. Yeah. He didn't really make any moves. He wasn't beating anybody. He just would keep going and eventually somebody would fall off and he'd get an extra eight yards from it sort of thing.

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I say that we do a best and worst for each quarter, like one, two, and three, and then we can talk about the fourth and overtime. Boy, that's aggressive. You go first then. Best in the first quarter was the three screens in a row from the Patriots. Yeah, that's how they started the game. Yeah, even Phil was calling them out. Yeah.

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Well, no, I mean, to clearly point out a hole in your logic, you're just, you're calling it karma because you want to justify that the Pats got the good end of the calls here.

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Exactly. I knew you were going to react like that. I mean, yeah. They had a couple of calls against them. Objectively, if I was a Raiders fan, I'd be pissed. If you were a Raiders fan, you wouldn't be objective. Well, we'll get to the... Yeah, we will. The end of this one later. Yeah, let's table this conversation. Greg, give us your best and worst. The worst is clearly Steve just

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It was snowing. I was like, damn, it's really coming down out there. Just so people who didn't live in the Brown House growing up know, the library isn't actually the library. It's just a room in our house that God christened the library. It didn't even have books. It had no books, yeah. But because our father's a deadhead, it was called the Jerry Garcia Memorial Library. And that's where we had the TV. And that's where we went, the church.

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Yeah, that was the end of the 08 season when the Patriots whooped the shit out of the Cardinals who eventually went to Super Bowl. Matt Lein. Yeah, there was one in Chicago. The Patriots played in Chicago and Brady threw a touchdown to Dion Branch with like three seconds left in the half because he was wide open. But it wasn't accumulated really on that one, right? I think, I mean, the field was white. I remember that. I think it was still snowing. I don't know how much it was accumulating. Yeah. But yeah, that's what happened.

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four games in the past 20 years that we can think of off the top of our head. Of course, they flashback the snowplow game, which I forgot was three to nothing. Yeah. Against the Dolphins. But did they have the guy there, didn't they? It's a game to be over. Jesus. Yeah. Didn't they have the guy there? Yeah. Oh, no. It was like maybe the end of the regular season. They had him come out and do like a wave to the crowd in the last game that they fought in Foxborough. Oh, yeah. That's what it was. Yeah. And we did talk about it already.

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Whenever that game was. Oh, wasn't it against the Dolphins? Yeah. I think it was. Pretty sure. That makes sense. That's a dick move. I love it. Yeah. Greg, you want to shit on that too? Yeah. No, that's pretty cool. I like that. I like that. Very good. So I would also say that just the running game in general in the first quarter, not great. No. I just, Antoine Smith did not get going in this game.

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And then he can go by James Jet TD. He could. Maybe he did. Who knows? We're the Raiders fans. If he didn't, he should have. You'll have to reach out, Steve, and let him know of that missed opportunity. I had a different worst, actually. For what? The first quarter or the second quarter? Second quarter. Right after that touchdown.

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We can't do anything on offense. They score a touchdown. They move the ball a little bit and get a touchdown. We hit the ball back. Brady two plays it and just sails it. Throws a pick on R40.

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I think he was forcing it. Oh, definitely. He definitely was, but I don't even know who's forcing it to. There wasn't anybody like really in. Two, three feet over his head. He's kind of looked at it. Yeah. I think it was Troy Brown was the closest guy. And he's like, that was, that wasn't to me, which I love Troy Brown. I think that's been well established. Did not have his best game. This game. Charles Woodson.

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Well, I think it was the weather, too. It didn't help him. Yeah, he's quick. He fumbled two punts. He wasn't beating anybody because he couldn't get his footing, so he couldn't juke anybody. And they tried to do a reverse with him. I think it was in the second quarter. And it got blown up, and he lost like seven or eight yards, which never happens. That's Troy Brown we're talking about. Like, you'll find a way to reverse field again and still get a first down.

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That might have been the punt that went into the end zone. It was, yes. Otis is an unsung hero for this team. Definitely. He really is, yeah. Just the whole year. I mean, this game he played pretty well too, but I haven't watched these games. I mean, I've been surprised what a playmaker he was. See, that was one of the things that I remembered about this defense was Otis Smith for some reason. Him and Ty Law were just unbeatable.

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No Gloves. It's on WEI, isn't it? Wiggy? Didn't he do like a pop culture one? Did he? No, maybe. I'm pretty sure he did. I think he's doing sports radio now. Wiggy in the morning or something like that? Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. Love it. But yeah, no, Steve, you're right. I think he was the only one out there that didn't have gloves on. And he was the leading receiver or at least one of them. That's amazing. Yeah. Oh, it's fantastic.

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They did, yeah. Well, in the first quarter, they were moving the ball. And I felt like the Patriots actually started, like after the touchdown pass, the Patriots started to just bring pressure from everywhere. You know, blitzing, it felt like every play. And that slowed them down a bit. But it felt like they were playing their game. The Patriots just, it felt like they were just going out there and being super conservative. And I remember that about this game. Yeah. In the first half, being like, start throwing the ball. Like, you're going to get left behind if you don't.

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Oh, so when you were shit on me the other day, when I said Belichick was kicking it short on purpose, you're ground to my side now? Yeah, I disagree with it. I disagree with it. Honestly, and I mean, obviously, he's a better coach than I am, right? But from like a player's standpoint, if I was playing in this game, I'd be like, dude, let's throw the ball. Like, let us make plays, you know? So I could see I'd be frustrating for the players and for the fans, you know? Yeah.

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they're still chucking it into the end zone and brady brady missed a couple of like easier throws like they did that play what they always do the hard play action and he tosses it over the line and he overthrew i'm assuming it was wiggins um and then the play after he had somebody else wide open and just completely sailed it on him too and they had to

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He only threw for 315 yards in a driving snowstorm. It's true. Which surprised the shit out of me after watching the first half. Did he have any passing yards in the first half? He was 4 for 9 with a pick and he threw a real bullet to Troy Brown right at the end of the second half. Oh, that's right, yeah. And I got confused because the announcers were saying,

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And that felt like that was as far as they got. At least in the first half. Yeah. At times it felt like they were just trying to run off the clock. I'm like, guys, it's the second quarter. And you're down 7-0. You've got to score at some point. But yeah, I mean, if I told you at the first half, after the first half, that Tom Brady would be the leading passer in this game, you probably would have disagreed with me.

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31 attempts only had 159 yards. Yeah. See, it didn't feel like it played out like that. That's what I mean. Yeah. It didn't feel like that at all. But, uh, all right. Yeah. Third quarter Patriots settle for field goal. Raiders do the same thing. Uh, Raiders had two field goals in this game and the one that I had forgotten, which I think we got to give, um, what's his name? Janikowski. The Polish powder keg. Yeah. He kicked in.

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in that third quarter he kicked the living shit out of it he kicked the 45 yard field goal that would have been good from probably about 60 yeah the same one that vinitary snuck through he was hitting the back netting oh yeah yeah i i love janikowski that's an absolute animal like come on like that guy is just a mouth breather you know just a mongrel yeah but boy can that man kick a football yeah you could just do one thing

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I feel like more pass breakups than that. I have to say. I think he, this is his type of game though. You know, like a physical, get your hands on the guy. Yeah. That's just Ty Law style. Like punish him whenever you get a chance. He's an amazing tackler. If you've been like Peyton Manning back there, he would throw him like six picks. Oh, there's another snow game that I forgot about. Oh, yeah. Oh, good call. Yeah. That's my favorite all time.

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single performance style against Peyton Manning. Yeah. You know who flashed a little bit in this quarter? Who's that? I put a note about it is Bobby Hamilton. Yeah, he was starting to get some pressure all by himself. And actually, even Navi mentioned him. Yeah. Really? Yeah. He's just like sneaky, like Otis, like you talked about earlier. Kind of like a sneaky contributor.

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Who would you rather sleep with? Janikowski or Roethlisberger? Like we're just sharing a bed sleeping with? No, you know what I mean, Steve. Finding out how nice his stroke is. You know what I mean. I feel like Janikowski would be gentler. Yeah. Roethlisberger might knock you out. Have you seen Roethlisberger recently? He looks like a mountain man. He looks disgusting.

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Yeah. Disgusting. And this coming with a man who shaved only half his beard. Indeed. Which half did you shave? The left or the right? I can't. The left. Yeah. You shaved your left. Okay. Side beard. Something. So a good anecdote from that. When I was, I played soccer in college until my senior year. And then my senior year, I stopped playing, but I was still drinking aggressively.

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And I gained a couple pounds, you know, as you do. And you know how like the moment of rock bottom where you turn your life around and start eating healthier and shit was one of Ellie's old boyfriends told me that I looked like Roethlisberger. I was like, I got to do something about this. Is that the one that couldn't eat pizza? Yeah, Ian. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

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It could be healthy food, but I just went too quick. I'm like a fragile stomach guy now. I am not. I've never really tied speed of intake to speed of outtake. No, it's a real thing, dude. Did not know that. Oh, yeah. I think it's because I don't chew enough. Oh, yeah. I never chew enough. And then it just starts rumbling. I can feel the rumbling. And like an hour later, I'm like, God damn it, Greg.

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Like what's in the dental and what's not? 15 yards for something where you didn't mean to do it seems a bit extreme. Yeah, especially if you just brush it, you know? Yeah, right? So that why not just meet in the middle and say all are 10? Yeah, that's what they should have done. Oh, yeah. Look at us solving problems. Yeah. Where's the NFL? Let's get them on the phone. Get Roger on the pod. Yeah, let's do it. What's he doing now? Yeah.

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Scrips managed to recover his own fumble, but a sign of things to come. Consider my pump primed. Oh, baby. Oh, man. The visual on that one is tough. I don't know if I can transition. You're going to have to do it for me. Well, build up the fourth quarter. Let's get us a lead. Like you're doing the TV, like coming back from commercial for the start of the fourth. Lead me into it. You seem to

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That was good. Is it accurate though? Yes. That's one of my notes. Patriots finally put a nice drive together. Then they got sacked right around midfield. You get back to the Raiders and they get the quick first and I was like, oh man, you know, Raiders put a nice drive together there. They're inside, you know, 10, 8 minutes left. They had to burn a timeout like 12 minutes left on the third down.

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when they interviewed John Gruden and what he had to say about Rich Gannon, it was, you need a good night's sleep to deal with Rich Gannon on game day. He's high maintenance. Yeah. So it's a good job. This was a night game because he got a lot of sleep. And apparently like the two of them would just like bitch and moan at each other, like during games, just like go after each other. Because Rich Gannon had been around since 87, which do you know who was drafted by? Minnesota. No, your New England Patriots.

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He went nine straight completions, I think it was, on that drive. Yeah, he let the ponies out of the stable. Yeah, they said, you know what, fuck it, we're going to start chucking the ball because we're down 10. Took the reins off and Tommy just took over. Yep. But in true Patriots fashion, did not throw a touchdown, but instead runs it in for the touchdown. Probably everybody who's listening to this actually remembers. But before that, for the spike, I think, was the, he's thrown into like a wide receiver on the

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I thought he scored a 22-yard touchdown though. Oh yeah, longest run. And I love like the announcers. Oh, look at Tom Brady celebrating because he's so young, you know, youth. It made me think of that Julian Edelman punt return touchdown against the Broncos. Oh, where he ran down to, yeah. Wait, were you in the end zone? I'm going to say this may have been his longest touchdown run.

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Fourth Quarter Comeback situations. Sure. It's gotten to a point now where it feels inevitable, right? Oh, God, yeah. Like that Super Bowl against the Rams. You were like, yeah, they're not scoring, but it's going to happen. It's just a matter of when. Yeah. But I don't get the feeling. And just from reading a couple of the articles from around here, it felt like that was the opposite back then of...

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He just thrives in it. It looks like he gets another gear when he's in those crunch time moments. I've had to say this so many times. Oh, does Belichick or Brady? And it's like, hey, it's both. Belichick puts you in a position to get there and Brady has that extra gear. Yeah. Belichick will take you as well as Brady will win you the Super Bowls. Yeah. And you could even see it from Brady's third start when he was playing the Chargers. And I know you guys weren't there for that.

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I think it's just me and Mike but he pulled them from like way down late to the point where I was watching the game and I'm thinking I I think I'm watching the right game I don't but they they come back and win this and this is literally his third start and the one where he threw his first touchdown pass to Terry Glenn and he pulled him back and then won an overtime that's his third game ever and so you kind of even saw it early but then you don't really see it again the rest of the season

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or Tom, we can go back to the game where Belichick took the wind in overtime against the Broncos in that game. Because Brady pulled them all the way back in that game too, remember? They were down like 24-0 or something at halftime. I was at that game. I was fucking freezing. Was that the game where your beer was freezing because you weren't drinking it quick enough? Yeah. We were like two rows from the top of the stadium and it was like 10 degrees.

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Yeah. And we're down 24-0 at halftime. Yeah. I can't believe you stayed for that game. It's crazy. Yeah. We said that if the Patriots didn't score in their opening drive in the second half, we were going to leave. And then they scored. Then they scored again, and they scored again, and we're like, we ain't fucking leaving. That might have been that Jules punt return game that I referenced earlier, right? Yeah, I think you did have one in that game. No, it wasn't. It wasn't that one. It was the Muff-Welker one.

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I can't imagine you being the guy that threw that. Oh, dude, he's a legend. And he's got people like us watching this game being like, did you see that part where fucking Phil Simms get hit by a fucking snowball? Plot twist. It wasn't who that is. Frozen beer. We can find out who that is. We should have him on the podcast. Yeah. Guest of honor. Put an APB or whatever that thing is called. Yep. So then the Patriots are three for 11 on third down.

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I had that he was just the only guy out there who looked like he could still like lay the wood because everybody else kind of like skating around and every once in a while you see lawyer Malloy come out of nowhere and just thump somebody and he was the only one that was able to like actually get a thumping on somebody that's fantastic him and actually and what's his name fuck I'll remember one day your friend's name Steve Navi

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Yeah, there you go. So Navi actually was the one to call this out, that Roman Pfeiffer had a great game in this game. He was the only one that could tackle Charlie Gardner, I thought. Apparently that was just me. Cool. Yeah, that did not jump out to me at all. Although we did have a signed Roman Pfeiffer football card, so. Yeah, for the Rams, but still. I probably still have it somewhere kicking around. That would be awesome.

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Hell yeah. Roman Pfeiffer. That guy was mad. It's probably worth as much as your fucking Pokemon cards, Dandy. Those are your Pokemon cards. I like football cards, bro. Yo, I hate a Charizard holographic, dude. That thing is worth more than money. It's worth memories. Didn't you give that to my nephew? Did I? Yeah. You gave all your Pokemon cards, though. Oh, good.

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At least he can use them. There go to memories. I never lose memories. I know Troy. I know Troy had a bad game, but he had a pretty solid punt return in this up until he fumbled it a second time. So, yeah, and that actually leaves me... No, I'm going to save something for you. I know what you're saving. I don't know if you do. I'm just going to spoiler it right now. Larry is a two-fumble recovery. Motherfucker. What, you think I didn't watch the game, Andy? Huh? You're looking at my fucking notes.

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How am I looking at your notes dude? I want to say Larry Izzo, unsung hero of this game. Without Larry Izzo, the Patriots have two fumbles. Troy Brown fumbled two punts and Larry Izzo recovered both of them. Without that, two of those drives are ended immediately. One of those is the one that leads up to the fourth quarter. This one now. Does somebody want to take the reins on this one? Because this is a pretty important drive here.

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That's all we're going to say about Larry Izzo? What else you got? Special teams captain. Yeah. This is coming out party. You've been playing for a while at this point, right? Eddie? I think so. I'll find him on this list. Let's find out. No, he's only like 27. Been in the league four or five years. Yeah.

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but not have the pressure of actually having to perform, but just like accidentally fall on two fumbles and be like, dude, I contributed. You know, that's always been my dream. So that's exactly who I would be to. I would be that guy. Yeah. I would be the guy that can't blow it, but he can save it. You know? Oh yeah. That, that role player. Who's probably the glue guy on the sidelines too. That's why he's going to captain, you know, great locker room guy. Maybe not the most skill, but you know. Yeah. I warmed up.

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is not quite that, but I mean, he's a veteran in this league, brought him in just to play special teams. Now he's got two fumble recoveries in the season. Pro Bowl Dolphins special teamer that he signs as a free agent. Right, exactly. That's a classic Belichick move. Yeah. I pay him. Oh, probably. Yeah. You'll pay those middle level guys more than any other middle level guys will make. Yeah. It's the Belichick system, right?

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So yeah, so like you said, Troy Brown actually had a really good punt return until he fumbled it, but luckily the Pats recovered. So he started out, I think, like right around midfield, right? No, yeah, right around there. At this point in the game, it was really tough to tell where anybody was. Yeah. I had no idea. And like you could actually hear the announcer, like not in the broadcast, but like the announcer in the stadium, announcing where he was.

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It's like Christmas, you know? Yeah. When you started watching this game, that's what you sent us. If you watch the game of the snow, it feels like Christmas. It's right, it does. Yeah. So, first and ten at their own 46. Two minutes left, down by three. Yep. It's Brady time. Brady moves the ball a little bit, and now all of a sudden it is second and ten on the Raider 42 with a minute 47 left.

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They moved the ball a little bit, not a ton. Brady had a first-down scramble in that move in the ball, which I totally forgot about. Yeah, well, this is the difference between this is what Tom Brady brings to the Patriots offense that Drew Blitzer doesn't, remember? A big running element. Yeah, exactly. Which nobody's ever said about him since. Even though he's a thousand-yard rusher. Yeah. Oh, man.

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That still gets to me. Yeah, so second and 10. Raider 42. Minute 47 left in the game. And his old college teammate comes running off of his right side. Very un-Brady-like. At least now it is. To not see. He got blown up a bunch in this season. Yeah, I mean, I knew it was coming, so I was watching for Woodson to come on that blitz. And he didn't hide it. He took like three steps towards the line of screen.

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scrimmage before Brady hiked the ball. I would assume most quarterbacks would see that coming, at least these days. Overall, this season, Brady got blown up. Blindside hit a lot more than I remembered. Yeah, I agree. Blindside hit Brady's taken, I couldn't tell you. Yeah. Well, he was also sacked, I think, the most in his career in this season. Really?

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I'm surprised he didn't get hurt because he didn't have elongated tendons at this point either. Maybe he did get hurt. Well, he did get hurt. Just not in this game. We'll get to that. That's true. That's true. Stay tuned. Next week. The real dynasty. If his tendons were longer. So the commentators were like, definitely a fumble. But then,

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If his arm is not all the way back and tucked in, then it's an incomplete versus a fumble. No, they had no idea. I mean, they were ready to boo heavily when Walt Coleman, whoever the fuck it was, came back from his review. But yeah, I mean, we've talked about this. All right, we've seen this twice. Once in the Jets game, where it was Vinny Testaverde. I think it was the first Jets game, right? Where he did the same thing? And then just

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in the head with his arm, which is a personal foul, 15 yards. Automatic first out. Yep. Incidental face mask. It was roughing the passer. That was a fumble. I'm just pissed the refs missed that roughing the passer call. It's a fumble now. It wasn't then. Dude, it's a fumble. It was the right call at the time. Yes. Because there was a tuck rule at the time.

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But the Steelers were a wagon. The Rams were even more of a wagon. Those are two best teams in the NFL. Yeah. They were like a class above everybody else. It was a Super Bowl. Okay. Yeah. Sometimes in your sports fandom, you have to admit that the other team got jobbed. To me, this is one of those cases where if I was on the other side of this call,

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I would be rip shit. Oh yeah. Yeah. Me too. I have all the sympathy. I have all the sympathy in the world for Raiders fans for this. I'd be pissed that my parents were bringing us up as Raiders fans personally. I have a note on here. I'm surprised Gruden's snow on his hat didn't melt. He's so hot. That's a good one. That's a Greg Gumbel thing to say. But even so,

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yep and this kind of goes back to Tom Brady again just not like he's been doing this all season he's been up and down but every time he makes a mistake like that or something the next play they won the Patriots let him throw the ball

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It wouldn't have been a controversy if the Patriots lost either. It's only because the Patriots managed to pull it out at the end. Exactly. And that call changed the result of the game. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. You can say like a letter of the law, this and that. Well, then fine. Fuck the law. You know what I'm saying? Like somebody made this law up that's an idiot. You know? That's why they changed.

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Let's get there. So we all know what happens, right? Yeah. What happens? Adam Vinatieri. 45 yards out. Wind blown in his face. Actually, it was blown in his back, according to the commentators. Squeaks a 45-yard field goal in probably like six inches of snow at this point. It's just piling up around him. Another iconic reaction, too. Like celebration. That little double hop-skip thing, and then the

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I also assumed that like they cleared the snow. Not in that one. But that's actually the later field goal. Like this one kicked it in like three inches of snow. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Like he buried that. And you couldn't even see the damn thing either. No. Yeah. You just had to listen to the crowd. Yeah. Which is a pretty good call by the commentator actually.

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Which one? Whoever does the play-by-play. What was the call? Oh, he didn't lose it, right? Because I feel like everybody lost sight of it, but he was like, it's good, because that's how I knew it was good. He called it good even before the refs indicated it. Yeah, because you couldn't see it on the TV. I thought you were going to talk about how I think it was the radio broadcast, probably.

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of which I guess we probably didn't have here, but I came across it. Gino Capiletti? Yeah. Yeah. Gil and Gino. Yeah. And the overtime field goalie basically said, I'm just going to let the crowd's reaction tell you whether or not it's good. Like kick is down. And then he just like didn't say anything. And you just heard the crowd go bananas. That's like, that's a great call. And there are, there's, there's, I can't remember what plays there were, but there were a few plays in this game where,

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I could hear their call in my head just because I've seen the replays without their call on it so many times. Yeah, there's some that just stick in your brain. Yeah. I did miss the, I don't remember, at least on the calls in my head, that they say that he missed four of his last five from 45 plus. They said he made four of his last five. I haven't missed here. We should get Connor on the pod.

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Kostowski's a more accurate kicker, but Vinatieri's going to go down as the better kicker because he's got the iconic kicks. Yeah, the clutch kicks. Which I think is a fair assessment, too, of how you grade those types of players. I agree. Yeah, probably. I think there's probably some grayer in there because, I mean, you could also argue that Kostowski didn't have the chance to make those iconic kicks. He didn't have the opportunities. He wasn't kicking game.

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I don't know. Snowing like crazy. Yeah. Might be the heaviest snowball game right here. And I don't know if you guys noticed, but Rich Gannon was, he was definitely struggling fourth quarter. Yeah. With like his grip. There's a couple like bubble screens that he floated them. And I was like, Ooh, I think this heavier snow is starting to get to him. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I think they were talking about how the temperature drops and the balls were getting harder. Football, not football.

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Which I think is probably why Vinatieri's kick is a bit more impressive in the fourth quarter with all that snow and cold than maybe Janikowski's was in the third quarter, even though they're both the exact same distance. Pretty much from the same spot on the field, too. Both 45-yarders going left to right. Wait, now, do you switch to the half or the quarter? You switch a quarter. Yeah. So once to the same spot. Have you watched football before, Steve?

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No, no. First ever game is a good one to watch. Yeah. Thanks for having me, guys. Wait, they play quarters? I thought it was periods. I thought it was thirds. Let's play four of them. Overtime. Overtime, Raiders call heads. It's tails. Patriots like to receive. Never fails. Patriots always win coin tosses, too. The important ones they do, yeah. Yeah, right? I'm just thinking of things.

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that would make me mad if I wasn't a Patriots fan. It's like, how the fuck do they always win the goddamn coin toss? Always the important ones. It's like field goal kicking. You don't have to win the early ones. Yeah, exactly. You've got to win the important ones. Fails give it fails. There's like three that come to mind. Yeah. Falcon Super Bowl. Yeah. Chiefs AFC Championship game. This one. Yeah. Just overtime games in general. The ones that they need.

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They got it. Goddamn cheaters. But did you see that one of the guys out for the overtime coin toss was Drew Bledsoe? Really? That was pretty badass, yeah. That is sweet. Yeah. I mean, obviously the Raiders called the coin toss, but I like to think that Bledsoe had something to do with it. I think him, where he was standing, was blocking the wind, and so it didn't have that extra half a flip. So because of that, it landed tails.

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Yeah, because they pinned him deep late. He started the dynasty. Yeah. Well, he's one of those role players that we talked about that this Patriots system is built on. He's one of those guys that you don't hear much about, but he's that foundation that all these other great things happen or built on. I got a name for you on that same thing, J.R. Redman. Yeah. I would put it in there. This first drive overtime, first play, I think it might be the exact same one as that.

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Rams Super Bowl final drive so I actually wrote down all the plays in the last drive so actually and even before that I think another guy you can throw in here is Patrick Pass because he's returning kickoffs in this game which I didn't realize he did that I feel like they seem to have a different guy back there every time because I remember for two weeks I had written down and we never brought it up but there was some guy named Ben Kelly who I'd never heard of and he was returning kicks and that's all he did and you never saw him again

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Speaking of that, Riddick Parker was a starter on the Patriots for this game? Who? Yeah. Did you just make that up? No, it's one of my notes. Like when they did the introductions, even. Holy shit. What position did he play? Defensive tackle, apparently. Steve Brown is correct. Riddick Parker. What? Never heard of him. Never heard of him again. Started this game. Only name on this list.

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of Patriot starters, I do not recognize. Back to Unsung Heroes, because he's just unsung. Very unsung. I mean, the least sung of them all. I mean, if the guys who are doing this stupid podcast don't actually know who he is, that's pretty unsung. Patrick Pass actually returned this overtime kickoff to the page 34, so that's a great start.

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And this is where we get to the point where I forgot about this, but this is some ballsy shit too. Like this is some game winning play calling and all of it. The Pats have fourth and four on the 28 yard line. And instead of kicking the field goal there, even though, I mean, they're going in the opposite direction. So they're kind of kicking into the wind. So what's that? What's plus 17 plus 14. I think it's 17. You line up seven yards behind the line. Yeah, you're right. It's just,

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You're the Colombian soccer player that scores an own goal against the United States in the World Cup. Or the Steve Bartman. Yeah. Yep. The Bill Buckner. You're that asshole. But Pats get out of jail free again. Yeah. Yeah. Is there any controversy in that one, Greg, you wanted to stir up? No, that was a great play call. Great throw. I'll say Antoine Smith's best play came up after that, staying in bounds. Yeah.

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Yeah, because at this point, it's just like run the ball at the middle of Antoine. So two straight up the middle for no gain, basically. And then on third down, I don't remember which commentator said it's like they have to pass it here. And I would be shocked if they didn't do a play-action throw and put the ball in Brady's hands. And all they did was hand it off to Antoine, right tackle, and he ran for first down and fell down inbounds. Well, why is it a good play to land inbounds?

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I don't think he bent to land and bounce. I was just going off what Steve said. Steve, care to comment? Yeah, you take as much time off the clock as you can. Just in case he missed a field goal. That's a good call. Yeah. Yeah. Just prepare for any eventuality. Are you playing for the tie? I thought when he fell down that he did it intentionally and I was like, wait a second. I bet it was just like an instinct. That's just his mental conditioning of like... I bet it is.

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Yeah, you need to chase Greg. That's a deep cut. That was definitely going how Antoine Smith said as he's... You can tell I did yoga because that was a fucking stretch. It's probably true. I bet Belichick had thought of that. It's a joke. I mean, because it could go either way too, right? Yeah. Wouldn't you... How does it go the other way? You're playing for a triple overtime, Greg? Well, because you're talking about so much.

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There aren't any Raiders podcasts. See if Bill Romanowski's out there. I'm on the pod. Getting Romanowski on the pod. You and Charles Woodson. Yep. That would be cool. Oh, Greg, you did have a Jerry Rice Raiders jersey, yeah? I had a Jerry Rice and I had a Charles Woodson. Yeah, I knew about the Charles Woodson. Yeah, the black Raiders jerseys were sweet. Yeah, with the silver numbers.

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Patriots line help clear the snow so that Vinatieri has an easier footing and an easier way to kick a field goal which he does from 23 yards out to win the game now you got snow angels you got celebrations and you've got football for another week thank you and the official retirement of Foxborough Stadium yeah what a way to go imagine being at that game my god

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I watched the game. How would I know about that thing that I called out Andy on? Which one? Larry Izzo. Oh, yeah, you son of a bitch. That's because I watched it. You're a cunt. My final note on all the pages of notes is just, God, I miss sports. Yeah. I did get that feeling. I was all amped up and then it was done. I was like,

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It was just how that game was going at that point. And I love the pettiness of it. From Lonnie Paxton, your fucking long snapper, who then would make himself famous for doing the Snow Angels after the game winner. Another iconic image. Yeah. I think this is I remember this one now. My worst was the Raiders. They tried to go no huddle.

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for like his first playoff game in the snow and you know. California boy. Yeah. He like trots out there and points someone out and gives them like a smile and just like gets down to business. He never did look shook at all throughout the game. Yeah. Yeah. That's my worst is that Tom doesn't play for us anymore. Yeah. Today's the day that he wrote that article too.

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I read it. I was miserable so I sent it to you guys so that you can share my misery. I clicked the link and I saw what it was and I immediately X'd out. I never read your texts anyway so I just missed it. You can't read though so I never expect you to do it. Can't read, doesn't watch the games. Because he's like Rain Man, he just remembers these games without having to watch them again from when they have them live. That's right.

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He's got his fucking scrapbook of all the Boston Globe articles. Yeah, this game did bring up a whole lot of memories, though. Like, I really did. Sitting in the basement watching it. This is the one where Dad scraped his hands on the ceiling, right? No, that was the Super Bowl. That was the Super Bowl. Yeah, because I remember that. I remember exactly when we were on that one. I remember scrapbooking after the game.

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You know, collecting all the Boston Globes, cutting out all my favorite things, get my mom to laminate them. Oh, that's right. She did, wouldn't she? Oh, yeah. I still have laminated poster boards with all the newspaper clippers. How much do you think that costs? She was just running a preschool and you're fucking using her entire lamination budget on you. You know, I never considered that, Andy. Yeah, lamination. Shocking. 10-year-old Greg. Yeah.

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Full pads. I just got to throw my body at him, let him truck stick me, and then he's on his way. Yeah. Just once. I'll do it for like five, ten grand. Here's a question. How much would you pay in today's dollars to attend this game if you knew? The outcomes? Yeah. I would take it. Does everybody know the outcome? No. You can pay like five grand, go back in time, and attend this game.

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